I'm currently toying with the idea of submitting some of my illustrations to some of the various stock art companies around the web. There are some definite Pros and Cons to the idea. It would be nice to maybe generate some income from my Pin-Up illustrations but I'm not too sure if it would end up being worth the lost of control over my work to get it. Also, the one place i was thinking of starting with seems to just accept vector files if the are saved in Illustrator 8 or earlier! I find myself bouncing back and forth on the whole idea. I was hoping that some of you guys had any experience with this and might be able to give me some input on the idea. Thanks.
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Fri, May 5, 2006 - 7:45 PMInstant bucks vs. artists rights. A conundrum in deed!
The Graphic Artists Guild is opposed to any artist selling to stock art companies because of the very reason you stated. All your rights a signed away for C-note.
I once designed a logo for a University for use in a calendar. A year later I arrived to find T-shirts, rugs, mugs and anything else you can imagine being sold for a profit at the Bookstore. They used the logo for 20 years. If you arts a hit, the stock art company is the one making the bucks.
On the other side of the coin, I have sold pieces because I needed the income and grinched about it afterward. It's all up to you my man. If it makes the house payment until your clientele grovels at your feet, I say so be it.
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Sun, May 7, 2006 - 6:26 AM< I once designed a logo for a University for use in a calendar. A year later I arrived to find T-shirts, rugs, mugs and anything else you can imagine being sold for a profit at the Bookstore.>
Yeah, I feel your pain. I did some designs while on staff for a T-shirt shop for a famous custom motorcycle client. A week afterward I was given the boot from the job due to lack of work. A year later, I went into the custom cycle shop and saw my stuff all over the place. The sales person there said it was their biggest seller.
I guess my real problem is that I have this big body of Pin-Up work that I really don't know what to do with? Right now it is just a very expensive hobby it seems. I'm paying my mortgage working in a print shop doing pre-press for wine labels. I've had people approuch me about using my work for stuff but no-one that seemed to really want to commit to putting money on the table for it. I tried approuching a gallery last year with a portfolio of my stuff and they liked it until they found out it was all digital. The illustration job I've tried for wanted to buy all the rights and pay me about what I'd make working in IN And OUT Burger. (Actually, I think that In and Out was actually paying people more.) They said that their marketing director said that it was the rate they'd be able to get the work for in Europe.
i actually agree with the Graphic Artist Guild position on Stock art but with the market so sucky what are you suppose to do? One graphic design job for the County i interview for asked what do you do if you need to put together something ad have zero budget for graphics? It's like people want art but they don't want artists.
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies? Other options...
Thu, December 14, 2006 - 9:53 AMHi there. I am new here. My name is Maureen and my friends finally talked me into joining so please forgive me if I am just figuring out all the rules to tribe postings.
But I have a couple of suggestions.
One for straight money. Try something like threadless.com (they pay $1500 plus $500 in goodies) per winning design. I am musing about joining the fray. I haven't yet figured out if they get the © or I get to keep it so I haven't tried yet but it would be a way to get your work out there. There are something like 400,000 people who are registered there. You submit a design (has to be 5 color, no gradients-you can see their design submission requirements on their site). They receive something like 1000 submissions per week and everyone votes. The top ones get a limited run of 1000, you get paid and you get your name out there. BUT, I think they retain the art or ©, not sure.
Also, you could, I think start a cafepress site for little or no money. I think your stuff is good and you could promote your shop here in tribe as well as maybe making things like coloring books to sell on the site. Your stuff could lend itself to that kind of thing easily.
I have a site there (mogolounge.com). A premium shop only costs me $5 a month and I am starting to generate modest sales. Also, there is a guy who does more your kind of illustration (boogerballs.com) only his stuff is about micro cars. I met him at the cafepress conference and he has made a fairly successful coloring book.
Just my 2¢.
Maureen
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Wed, February 14, 2007 - 9:51 AMI would highly suggest putting a little time and effort into doing some research on Licensing. Like the other reply- just putting it out there in stock art world means that some Random Joe can make some bucks on it while you get squat. On antoher note however, these "design contests" are very scam-like: a lot of times (like a recent one for DefJam records, or was it Death Row...) they retain ALL the rights to everything submitted. Which means they get tons of free work. So make sure you read the Terms and Conditions of everything before you submit anything. Even deviantart.com has a totally shitty T&C where they retain the right to publish or use anything you post without telling you or giving you a dime. People have suggested I post my stuff there but i ran when i read that.
I read over the Threadless legal mumboo jumbo and it seemed pretty ok. Retaining the rights, allowing limited = good. Exclusivity = bad unless you are paid top dollar and/or have a limited time contract- ie, your design is not tied up for the life of it cause then it's stuck and you'll never be able to use it again. Letting them use it only if you get paid = good. Them retaining right to use it even if it is not the "winner" = bad.
Some thigns to consider anyhow...
On one other note: putting together some promo materials for yourself and pimping yourself to product licensing places, or just sending it yourself to copanies you would see your stuff on is a great idea. Takes an investment of time and $$ but it is worth it. Do some research first: good to look pro right out of the gate.
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Fri, February 16, 2007 - 12:12 PMI hear these problems all the time from other illustrators. Here are some tips to avoid these problems...
Artist controlled stock art - Stock art companies usually make the lion's share of the profits with artists making pennies on the dollar. Not worth it for any artist. Avoid them at all costs. 'Rent' limited usage of your work through websites like theispot.com or folioplanet.com which have artist controlled stock art options. While yes there is a fee to join them, it is an investment in your business to insure that you receive proper fees for usage of your previously created work. You could also set up an area on your own site to offer licensing of your own stock work.
Always use a contract - Runaway usage of commissioned or stock art can be completely avoided by simply using your own contract and negotiating specific usage and fees. Limit usage per item, time frame and territory, retain copyright and set fees according to what are proper industry standard fees. Aim high, settle for middle, never let them see your bottom line. Negotiate the numbers from what you would love to get and negotiate down to what is a fair rate for the usage. Remember, the more they want, the more it costs (as in any business). The Graphic Artists Guilds Pricing and Ethical Guidelines is one of several great books to have in your art business library (for contracts, pricing, etc.). I highly advise purchasing it and using it as a guide.
Retain your copyright - Companies almost never need full rights to artwork. Other than logos, companies ask for it so they can run wild with the usage or resell it. And most times artists never ask for the fees they should be getting for the sale of intellectual property. Retain your copyright, limit usage, time frame and territory. If you do choose to sell it, be sure to double or even triple the fee. This will discourage them, and they may go for the lesser fee for limited usage.
Avoid art 'contests' that offer a big reward - These are simply calls for 'spec work' which you will almost always lose and they often take art submitted and use it for another artist to create. Almost always a total waste of time and effort. Your time could be better used marketing or developing your own art to sell for licensing.
Regarding the pinup work...I too do pinup art. You'd be surprised at the number of uses for this work. I have done identity campaigns for a liquor company, a cosmetic company and an online glassware company creating pin-ups for them (only one was a full sale of rights which I was well compensated for). I also sell artwork to a tee shirt company (newly commissioned art to their specs). Additionally, I have stock artwork I offer as licensed artwork (for stationery, clothing, etc.) and I plan to open up a Cafe Press shop featuring this work as well. Getting potential clients interested, well that's pure marketing which has to be done both consistently and targeted.
If you really want to do this, you have to take the initiative to go for it. It might be scary, and it may take a while to take off, but in the end, it will give you much personal satisfaction. Remember to stick to your guns, and always ask for the terms mentioned above. If they hedge or grouse about it, they are not worthy of working with you...they are not being professional. They are being cheap and trying to taking advantage. Always remember, no one can take advantage of you unless you allow it to happen. Ultimately, we are businesses working with other businesses plain and simple. We are not 'lucky' to be working for someone...we work for ourselves. As for 'exposure', too much of it can be deadly ;)
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Thu, July 19, 2007 - 9:21 PMYou might want to look in to freelancing your work for companies. You can work the licensing terms into your contract and still retain ownership, as well as developing your portfolio. Customers get proofs and print /web ready art, but you keep the vector files, so you would still have control over the art itself.
That's still a full business requiring marketing, selling yourself for jobs, but ultimately more rewarding because you would make more money and have an in-person business relationship with clients.
I too have looked into places like Cafe Press but I am not too sure of them. They have high priced products, and you don't earn much off of that. If you were committed to your own business you could probably print and sell items such as T shirts for much less, sell them on the web via your own site, an eBay site, or at street and art fairs in person.
Good luck...
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Tue, August 7, 2007 - 7:27 PMDon't do it!!! Resist... I know the quick cash looks tempting but... just say no. The more stock images go out, the harder it is for illustrators to get the gigs. Why pay an illustrator the worthy price when we could just scry for little to no fee. It's like art theft. -
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Re: Submiting to Stock Art companies?
Tue, August 7, 2007 - 7:49 PMAfter reading some of the comments in this thread (particularly Diana's) I think I going to look into licencing instead. it might be tougher to get into but it sounds like it would be better in the long run.
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