transfering projects from Illustrator to Photoshop

topic posted Sat, March 18, 2006 - 4:58 PM by  x
Hi,

I am working on a project where I have to keep pantone colors consistant for a presentation. I am creating logos in illustrator and then trying to transfer them into a Photoshop project. When I open the file in Photoshop the colors of the logo change and are not the original pantone color.

How do I transfer these files so I know that they are staying at the same pantone color.

-thanks!
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  • Are you working in Pantone solid colors, or from the Pantone Process colors?

    More importantly, what is the final purpose of the project? Is it for print, or for
    the web?

    If for print, will it be printed CMYK, or will it be printed in spot colors?
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      I am using Pantone Solid Uncoated colors. This is for a presentation that needs to be printed out and the colors have to match the Pantone Solid Uncoated swatch book. I believe this will be printed in CMYK.
      • Unsu...
         
        I do quite a bit of spot color printing, and for the most part, I don't think our screens can accurately display Pantone colors to match the color chips.

        As long as you have spec'd the colors in your mechanical and all spot channels are properly labeled, you can be certain that your printer will go by your PMS color specifications, not by what you see on screen.
        • "I do quite a bit of spot color printing, and for the most part, I don't think our screens can accurately display Pantone colors to match the color chips. "

          I do pre-press and we tell designers that it is almost impossible to get a 100% match from what you have on the screen to what you have on paper unless you call out a particular PMS color. Of course that means an extra plate for each color. You always have to ask (yourself or the client) how important is getting one or two colors exact, opposed to spending more money over the cost of the entire print run?

          Of course there are times when it is actually cheaper to go with spot colors than CYMK. We did a job where they had a single colored image that changed color on 5 different labels. If we did it as a single spot color with a black tint, that would have been a lot cheaper and better looking than the 4 color process and a spot black job we had to ran. Because then it would have been just two plates per run, instead of five. Unfortuantely for the client, he hired a designer that didn't have a clue about how to design with spot colors.
          • Unsu...
             
            Thanks for weighing in, James. My proof approval sheet (the one I give my clients to sign off before going to press) actually has a disclaimer that reads: "This proof is not submitted for color accuracy, print quality or paper approval."

            I think all designers should get chummy with their pre-press guy (or gal). For one, pre-press folks like you will tell us exactly how you want us to prepare the file. My repeat client becomes your repeat client, so you want the job to come out looking good as much as we do.
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          That is the thing, I don't know if I have my color set up correctly in both Photoshop and Illustrator because the file opened in both programs look different. I haven't even gotten to printing it out.

          So my question, what setting should should Photoshop and Illustrator be at for printing? I have them both set at CMYK and the U.S. Prepress default but I am still getting an error message that the color profile is different.

          Also I am going to be making the final file, for print from Illustrator. What is the proper way to prepare this file so that it prints the Pantone colors correctly (and by correct I mean that I want it to look like the colors from the swatch book) Also what file format is appropriate to take to the printers?

          Thanks!
          • Unfortunately, Adobe has some anoying problems with CS and color management.
            For one thing, the Pantone-to-CMYK conversion tables are different in Illustrator than
            in Photoshop. So if you convert a Pantone color to CMYK in Photoshop, and convert
            the same color in Illustrator, they'll come out different!!!!!!

            And Illustrator CS uses different tables from Illustrator 10 and Illustrator 8, so colors
            can change between versions of Illustrator.

            Our solution is to go by the numbers, and define the colors based on the numbers from
            the Pantone Solid-to-Process book. (These days, we trust Pantone more than we do
            Adobe.)

          • "Also I am going to be making the final file, for print from Illustrator. What is the proper way to prepare this file so that it prints the Pantone colors correctly (and by correct I mean that I want it to look like the colors from the swatch book) Also what file format is appropriate to take to the printers? "

            If they were sending me a vector file, I'd usually would tell a designer that they should save it as an EPS format. I'd also recommend that all type be converted into outlines to avoid any font issues. In your case I'd also convert the colors that really have to match into spot color. You do that by double clicking on the individual color swatch in the swatch palette. You'll then get the color swatch dialog box. There you'll write in the name of the pantone color you want and then use the pull down menu under the name to change it from process color to spot. Once you do this the color swatch in the swatch palette will change and have a white triangle in the corner with a black dot in it. That means that it is now a spot color.

            Things to watch out for: make sure that you selected all the colors that are currently using that color or change them to this spot afterwards using the select same color menu command. Otherwise you might end up making a swatch that isn't really in use any where in your document.
          • How much of the job are you doing in Photoshop? How many colors are in the Photoshop file?

            It *is* possible to use spot colors in Photoshop, by using spot color channels, but can be kind
            of tricky if you have to deal with trapping, etc.
            if the Photoshop image is to be printed all one color, you can set it up as a "Monotone" of
            that color (go to Mode, Duotone, and choose Monotone, and apply the particular spot color).
            Once that's done, it will separate out to the correct spot color plate. (That is, as long as the
            color names are EXACTLY the same in the Photoshop and Illustrator files.)

            Do you know who is doing the actual printing? It might be wise to consult with the printer's
            prepress department
      • The problem is that many Pantone solid colors cannot be reproduced by CMYK.
        The colors will change when converted to CMYK, sometimes quite a bit. If you
        know the job will be printed CMYK, rather than spot colors, you'll be better off
        picking the colors from the Pantone Process swatch book. Pantone also publishes
        a "Solid-to-Process" book, which has solid colors beside their nearest CMYK
        equivalent. I find that book to be very useful.

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